Yogasena

advanced pose / pud-MAH-sah-na

Padmasana (Lotus Pose)

Level
advanced
Hold
Two to five minutes to begin with
Kind of pose
seated
Works on
hips, knees
Written by Published 7 min read

In one breath

Padmasana, or Lotus Pose, is a advanced seated pose held for two to five minutes to begin with. Longer only once there is no sensation in the knees at all. It works mainly on hips, knees, ankles. Read the warnings below before you try it: it is not right for everybody.

Line drawing of Padmasana, Lotus Pose
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Padmasana, and an honest word about it

Padmasana means the lotus pose, from padma, the lotus flower, and the upturned soles of the feet resting on the opposite thighs are meant to suggest petals. It is the most recognisable seated posture in the world, the one on every statue, and it is classed on this site as advanced, which surprises people.

Here is why. The lotus asks the thigh bone to rotate outwards at the hip through a very large range. If the hip supplies that rotation, the pose is comfortable and the knees feel nothing. If the hip cannot supply it, the rotation has to come from somewhere, and the only joint left is the knee, which is a hinge and rotates almost not at all. That is how people end up with a torn meniscus from a meditation posture.

So the honest position, after four decades of watching this: the lotus is not a goal, it is a seat, and it is a seat that suits a minority of adult bodies. The half lotus and the simple cross legged seat do the same job. The purpose of a meditation posture is to let you forget your body for twenty minutes, and any posture that has you monitoring your knees has already failed at that.

It is a hip pose, and the knee pays for the difference

This is the single most important paragraph on this page.

Sit on the floor and let one knee fall out to the side with the sole of that foot against the opposite inner thigh. Now look at where the knee is. If it rests low, near the floor, your hip has good outward rotation. If it floats high in the air, it does not, yet.

In the lotus, the foot is placed up on the opposite thigh. If the knee was already floating, placing the foot up there does not create hip rotation. It simply puts a long lever, the shin and the foot, on the outside of a knee joint that cannot rotate, and every time you press the knee down towards the floor you are twisting it.

The rule: sensation in the hip and the groin is acceptable. Sensation in the knee is not. Not pinching, not pulling, not a dull ache, not a click. If the knee speaks, come out.

The work, if you want the lotus, is not the lotus. It is three minutes a day with the soles of the feet together and the knees supported on cushions, for a year or two. That opens the hip. Then the lotus arrives quietly, and the knees never enter into it.

Sit higher than you think

Almost every discomfort in a floor seat is fixed by putting something under the sitting bones.

When you sit flat on the floor with the legs crossed, the pelvis usually tips backwards, because the hamstrings and the hips pull it that way. A backward tipped pelvis rounds the lower back, and a rounded lower back cannot be held upright for twenty minutes without effort, so the student slumps, then straightens, then slumps, and concludes that they are bad at sitting.

Put a firm cushion, a folded blanket or a meditation bolster under the back half of the sitting bones. Enough height that:

  • the knees end up lower than the hip creases,
  • the pelvis tips slightly forward,
  • the lower back has a small natural inward curve,
  • and you are not holding yourself up with your abdominal muscles.

For a stiff adult this can mean fifteen or twenty centimetres, which looks absurd and works perfectly. I have never seen anybody sit too high. I see people sitting too low every week.

Why this posture at all

The classical texts recommend a seated posture that is sthira and sukha, steady and comfortable, and the lotus was chosen because when the hips permit it, it is remarkably both. The crossed and locked legs make a broad low triangle of contact with the floor, so the body cannot drift or topple, and the spine can stack up over it with very little muscular effort. You can sit like that for a long time and forget you have a body, which is the point.

That is also the standard by which any alternative should be judged, and by that standard a firm chair passes easily. Every pranayama practice on this site, including Anulom Vilom and Nadi Shodhana, and every meditation, can be done sitting on a chair with the feet flat and the spine upright. Nothing whatsoever is lost. The breath does not know what your legs are doing.

What matters is that the spine is upright and unsupported enough to stay alert, the chest is open so the breath has room, and the arrangement can be held without fidgeting. Any seat that does those three things is the correct seat for you.

Numb feet, and when to worry

Feet going to sleep in a crossed legged seat is extremely common and usually harmless, but the advice to sit through it is wrong and I will not repeat it.

What causes it is pressure on the nerves and blood vessels as they pass through the folded legs. In most people the sensation returns within a minute or two of straightening the legs and nothing follows. But prolonged compression is not benign: clinical series of posture induced nerve palsy have documented foot drop following long periods in squatting, kneeling and cross legged positions, with a mean compression time of around two hours, and while most cases recovered fully within a year, a minority were left with lasting weakness.

So the practical rule is straightforward.

  • Numbness or pins and needles: come out, straighten the legs, and wait until sensation is completely normal before sitting again.
  • Alternate which leg is on top every time you sit.
  • Sit higher, which reduces the pressure considerably.
  • If the numbness does not clear within a few minutes, or if there is any weakness lifting the foot, see a doctor.

None of this is a reason to avoid sitting. It is a reason not to sit heroically.

How long to sit, and how to get there

Two to five minutes to begin with, and only lengthen once there is genuinely no sensation in the knees at all. A comfortable seat can then be held for twenty minutes or more, which is the length that most meditation and pranayama practices actually want.

A realistic route, over a year rather than a month:

  • Months one to three: sit in the simple cross legged seat, high on a cushion, for ten minutes daily. Add three minutes a day with the soles of the feet together and the knees supported.
  • Months four to six: add half lotus for two minutes at a time, alternating sides, and only if the bottom knee rests low.
  • Months seven to twelve: extend the half lotus to ten minutes, alternating sides every sitting.
  • After that: attempt the full lotus only if both knees rest low and silent in half lotus on both sides.

If you never reach the full lotus, you have lost nothing at all. Sit on a chair, sit up straight, and get on with the practice, which was always the point. There is more on building a home practice on the hatha yoga page.

How long to sit, and when not to

This is the one table on the site where the top row is a warning rather than a starting point. Most adults should stay in a simpler seat.

StageHoldRoundsBreathStop if
Not yetHalf lotus or a cross legged seat on a cushionAs long as it is comfortableNormalThe knee has any sensation at all
First year, if the hips allow it1 to 2 minutes1NormalAnything in the knee, immediately
Established practice5 minutes1Slow, for a breathing practiceThe feet go numb
Long practice10 minutes or more1Left aloneSensation changes rather than fades

Numbness that comes on within a minute is a nerve, not a stretch. Come out, straighten the legs, and use a different seat.

The pages that tell you to leave this one alone

The lotus is the pose most associated with yoga and one of the few this site regularly advises against. It appears in the avoid list on three condition pages, and the reason is the same each time: the knee is asked to do what the hip will not.

  • Yoga for back pain advises against it because sitting in a shape the hips cannot make rounds the lower back for the whole of a breathing practice.
  • Yoga for neck and shoulder pain advises against it for the consequence higher up: a rounded lower back puts the head forward, and the neck pays.
  • Yoga for weight loss leaves it out simply because it contributes nothing to the goal and costs knees.

What is wanted is a comfortable seat, not this particular one. Sit on a cushion with the knees below the hips, or use Vajrasana, and the breathing goes better. The counter pose, when the lotus is used, is Paschimottanasana, taken gently and only if the back allows.

What the lotus is actually for is sitting still to breathe, so if it is not available to you, nothing of value is lost by using another seat and getting on with Bhramari or Ujjayi. The seat matters, the shape does not. It is the third limb of the eight in the older sense of the word, which is set out in the eight limbs of yoga, and the Sanskrit is collected in the yoga glossary. Come out of it and lie in Savasana if the feet have gone numb, and read yoga for beginners over 40 before deciding to work towards it in your fifties.

How to do it, step by step

Read all of it once before you start. Hold for two to five minutes to begin with. Longer only once there is no sensation in the knees at all, and come out while the pose is still steady rather than when it gives way.

  1. Step 1. Sit on the floor with the legs straight out in front. If your lower back rounds backwards even now, sit on the edge of a folded blanket or a firm cushion until the pelvis tips forward and the spine is upright.

  2. Step 2. Bend the right knee and use both hands to bring the right foot towards you. Support the shin and the ankle, not the toes, so the knee is never pulled by the foot.

  3. Step 3. Place the right foot high on the left thigh, as close to the hip crease as it will go, with the sole turned upward. The higher on the thigh it sits, the less the knee has to give.

  4. Step 4. Let the right knee lower towards the floor. If it stays high in the air, the hip is not ready, and the pose stops here today. This is the half lotus and it is a complete practice on its own.

  5. Step 5. Only if the right knee rests low and there is no sensation in it, bend the left knee and lift the left foot with both hands over onto the right thigh, sole upward.

  6. Step 6. Check both knees. There should be no sensation in either joint. Any pinching, pulling or sharpness at the knee means the hips are not open enough and you must come out.

  7. Step 7. Sit up long. Drop the tailbone slightly, lift through the sides of the waist, let the front ribs stay in and the shoulders roll back and down.

  8. Step 8. Rest the hands on the knees or in the lap, palms up or down, and let the face and jaw soften completely.

  9. Step 9. Breathe quietly. Stay two to five minutes at first, then release slowly by lifting each foot off with the hands rather than kicking the leg free.

  10. Step 10. Straighten both legs, shake them gently, and repeat with the other leg on top. Whichever leg goes on top first should alternate every time you sit.

What it is good for

  • It gives a genuinely stable seat. In a controlled trial of fifty two yoga practitioners, thirty minutes in Padmasana was associated with rises in measured acupuncture meridian energy levels, while thirty minutes of chair sitting produced decreases across the board. The measure used is not a mainstream physiological one, so treat this as suggestive rather than settled. Source
  • The crossed and locked legs make the base of the body wide and low, so the spine can stay upright for a long period without the muscles having to work hard to hold it. That is the whole reason the posture was chosen for meditation and pranayama.
  • It requires and therefore develops considerable outward rotation of the thigh at the hip. An anatomical review of yogic postures notes that Padmasana demands extensive external rotation of the femur at the hip and is limited by tightness in the gluteus medius. Source
  • It stops you fidgeting. A locked seat gives the restless mind less to do with the body, and students who have struggled to sit still for five minutes in a cross legged seat often find the lotus easier to be quiet in, once the hips permit it.
  • In forty years of teaching I have found the half lotus, not the full one, to be where most of the practical benefit sits, and I would rather see somebody sit comfortably in half lotus for twenty minutes than heroically in full lotus for three.

Who should not do this

  • Any knee injury, meniscus tear, ligament damage or knee replacement: do not attempt the full lotus, and be cautious even with the half. The knee is a hinge and this pose asks it to tolerate rotation that must come from the hip instead.
  • Sciatica or a disc problem in the lower back: sitting cross legged on the floor can tip the pelvis backwards and load the lumbar spine. Sit high on a firm cushion, or use a chair.
  • Ankle injury or a weak ankle: the ankle is held in a strong position on the opposite thigh and takes the weight of the leg.
  • Hip replacement: deep outward rotation and flexion can risk dislocation depending on the surgical approach. Ask your surgeon specifically about cross legged sitting before you try it.
  • Pins and needles or numbness in the feet or legs during the pose: this is not something to sit through. Come out, straighten the legs and let the sensation return fully before sitting again. Prolonged nerve compression while kneeling or squatting has been documented as a cause of temporary and occasionally lasting foot drop.
  • Pregnancy: a wide seated position with the feet crossed loosely in front is more suitable. Do not force the legs into a lotus.
  • Arthritis in the knees, hips or ankles: use a chair or the easy cross legged seat, and do not push into pain.

If any of these apply to you, say so before your first class. There is almost always a version of the pose that is safe for you, and it is the teacher's job to find it, not yours.

What Vaithialingam sees people get wrong

What the teacher corrects most often in this pose, on the left, and what to do instead, on the right.

  • Pulling the foot into place by the toes, which levers the knee joint.

    The fix. Always lift the leg by supporting the shin and the ankle with both hands. The foot is cargo, not a handle.

  • Forcing the second leg up when the first knee is still high off the floor.

    The fix. Stop at half lotus. If the bottom knee will not rest low, the hip has not opened and the top leg will simply transfer the strain into the bottom knee.

  • Sitting flat on the floor with the pelvis tipped backwards and the lower back rounded.

    The fix. Sit on the front edge of a folded blanket or a firm cushion, high enough that the knees are lower than the hip creases and the pelvis tips slightly forward.

  • Ignoring pinching or pulling at the knee because the pose is supposed to be difficult.

    The fix. Come out immediately. Difficulty in the hips is acceptable, sensation in the knee is not, and this distinction has saved more knees in my classes than any other single instruction.

  • Always putting the same leg on top.

    The fix. Alternate every single time you sit. A year of always crossing the same way produces a hip and a lower back that are noticeably uneven, and it takes far longer to undo.

  • Sitting until the feet go numb, and treating it as normal.

    The fix. Come out, straighten the legs, and wait until the feeling is completely back before sitting again. Numbness is compression, not concentration.

Easier and harder versions

  • Ardha Padmasana, the half lotus

    One foot on the opposite thigh, the other foot tucked underneath on the floor. This is the version most adults should use, and I mean permanently, not as a stage. It gives you the stable, upright seat with a fraction of the demand on the knees.

  • Sukhasana, the easy cross legged seat

    Simply cross the shins with each foot under the opposite knee, sitting high on a cushion so the knees drop below the hips. Not a lesser seat. Almost every long sitting practice I have ever done has been in this one.

  • Chair sitting

    Sit on a firm chair with the feet flat on the floor, the knees at a right angle, and the spine upright away from the backrest. Every meditation and every pranayama practice on this site can be done here, without exception. This is the version for knee replacements, arthritis, and anyone who cannot get down to the floor.

  • Baddha Konasana as preparation

    Sit with the soles of the feet together and the knees dropping out to the sides, supporting each knee on a cushion or a folded blanket. Stay for three minutes daily. This opens the hip in the direction the lotus needs, without loading the knee at all, and it is the honest route in.

Where these claims come from

Anything on this page stated as a fact about the body is sourced below. Anything not sourced is written plainly as what the teacher has seen in his own classes, and is labelled that way in the text.

  1. Effect of Lotus Posture on Acupuncture Meridian Energies: A Controlled Trial
  2. Anatomical Correlation of Core Muscle Activation in Different Yogic Postures
  3. Clinical Characteristics of Peroneal Nerve Palsy by Posture
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From Vaithialingam's class

I have been asked to teach the lotus to teenagers who could do it in a minute and to men of fifty who wanted it badly because their grandfather sat that way, and the second group is the one I worry about. A hip that has spent thirty years in a chair does not open in six weeks, and what happens when somebody insists is that the knee takes the twist the hip refused. That is how knees are damaged in this pose, and the pattern is always the same: a person feels something in the knee and decides to sit through it. So the rule in my class is unnegotiable and slightly boring: the hip may complain, the knee may not. Half lotus is not a stage on the way to somewhere, it is a perfectly good seat, and a chair is a perfectly good seat, and I would rather you sat quietly for twenty minutes than impressively for two.

This is what he sees in class, not a medical claim. Where this page states what a practice does for a condition, the evidence is in the sources cited on the page.

Vaithialingam, founder and teacher, 40 years of teaching.

Questions people ask

Why do my knees hurt in Padmasana?

Because your hips are not supplying the outward rotation the pose needs, so the knee is being asked to twist instead, and a knee is a hinge that barely rotates at all. This is the mechanism behind most yoga knee injuries. Come out of the pose. Sensation in the hip or groin is acceptable, sensation in the knee never is. Work on hip opening instead, with the soles of the feet together and the knees supported on cushions for three minutes daily.

How long does it take to learn full lotus?

For an adult who has sat in chairs all their life, a year or two of patient hip work, and for many people it never becomes appropriate at all. There is no way to hurry it, because what has to change is the rotation available at the hip joint. Practise the half lotus and the easy cross legged seat, sit high on a cushion, and open the hips separately. If the lotus arrives it will arrive quietly and the knees will not be involved.

Is half lotus good enough for meditation?

Yes, entirely, and so is a simple cross legged seat and so is a firm chair. The purpose of a meditation posture is to be steady and comfortable enough that you stop noticing your body. Any posture that has you monitoring your knees has failed at that, however impressive it looks. Every pranayama and meditation practice can be done sitting on a chair with the feet flat and the spine upright, and nothing is lost.

My feet go numb in Lotus Pose. Is that normal?

It is common and usually harmless, but do not sit through it. Come out, straighten the legs and wait until the feeling is completely normal before sitting again. Sitting higher on a cushion reduces the pressure a great deal, and alternating which leg goes on top helps. Prolonged compression in kneeling and cross legged positions has been documented as a cause of temporary and occasionally lasting foot weakness, so if numbness does not clear within a few minutes, or if you cannot lift the front of the foot, see a doctor.

Which leg should go on top?

Alternate every single time you sit. A year of always crossing the same way leaves one hip noticeably more open than the other and produces a subtle twist through the pelvis and lower back that is far more work to undo than to avoid. Pick a rule you will remember, such as right leg on top on odd dates, and follow it.

Can I do Padmasana with a knee replacement or arthritis?

Do not attempt the full lotus. With a knee or hip replacement, deep flexion combined with rotation can carry a dislocation risk depending on the surgery you had, so ask your surgeon specifically about cross legged sitting. With arthritic knees, sit on a firm chair with the feet flat on the floor, spine upright and away from the backrest. This is a completely legitimate seat for every practice on this site.

Who should not do Padmasana?

Anyone with a knee injury, a meniscus tear, ligament damage or a knee replacement should not attempt the full lotus at all, and should be careful even with the half. Anyone with a hip replacement should ask their surgeon specifically about crossing the legs. Leave it out with sciatica or a lower back disc problem, with an ankle injury, with arthritis in the knees or hips, and in pregnancy. Numbness during the pose means come out at once.

What muscles does Padmasana work?

Very little is worked and a great deal is asked. The deep outward rotators of the hip, the piriformis among them, have to allow the position, and the erector spinae hold the spine upright once the pelvis has been given enough height by a cushion. If the hips will not rotate, the knee is asked to make up the difference, and the knee is a hinge that cannot.

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